User talk:Bunai Di

Stricter Page Creation Guidelines
Hi Bunai.

I've been looking around fanloid wiki and half the time I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I see some pages with what looked like hard worked on fanloids, and then other pages where it look like someone got a 4 year old to draw their fanloids with crayons. Not just the images but the lack of descriptions as well...

I don't know if I have any right to say this, but I wanted to petition to have stricter page creation guidelines. I don't think it's fair to let every utau user and their little brother have a fanloid page. That would get cluttered too fast and hard to document.

What do you think? Perhaps we could talk about it and work something out?

Bloodyvocaloid 08:48, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Believe me, I know, but thank you for your concern.
 * This wiki has a 'Manual of Style', but it also allows Users to maintain a page as they wish. Though there are exceptions, for example when the page looks like it was done by someone who has no idea of wikitext. I'll be going through the pages and making the proper layouts, but it is tough trying to keep it when the creator reverts it.


 * If you can create a forum topic and point out pages that bothered you in particular, that would give some focus. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:35, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I love the fact that this wikia is so open to everybody, but that in itself is dangerous. As long as they have good wiki text and don't steal anyone else's art, anyone can have a fancharacter. I mean while that sounds so admirable, that also is the reason that there are 10 billion Shion brothers. Because anyone can just choose any hue of color and just palet swap Kaito. I really don't want to see this wiki documenting every single recoloring of Kaito/ Miku/ Luka/ etc.. Could there be some way to make a new rule saying that simple color swaps are not allowed. Or that the character must have this amount of view on Youtube/DeviantArt/NicoNicoDouga? Things like that?
 * I think I may start a forum topic in the future. Thank you for the suggestion.
 * Bloodyvocaloid 21:59, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * To the last part of your post, this definitely would be best as a forum discussion or a blog, which ever is comfortable for you. Then I can announce it as site news.


 * As it's already known, many derivatives are based on Crypton characters, so naturally there are a lot of them. Even in the Japanese fandom this continues and Crypton's Kaito and Miku are the favored as derivative bases. I personally don't mind direct derivatives of official Vocaloids. When it comes to fanart there is a rule on recolors, it isn't allowed. The exceptions are doll bases and using official boxart as that is fairuse without profit. If someone has permission from the artist about artwork alteration then it is fine.
 * Many artists don't mind derivative base work, but do have an issue with recoloring without permission.


 * The reason for Fanloid wiki is to document characters that could never have a page on Vocaloid wiki. Many of the fanmade pages created were deleted because the characters were "not notable / not popular / unknown" etc. Also after a while the amount of fanmades compared to official information was overwhelming. I don't want to borrow the Vocaloid wiki rule about 'how a character must be known' in order for them to have a page, because without the creator spamming all over the internet or being a decent artist, they would never have the the amount of views that would warrant a page.
 * The only time I have deleted pages was when the creator of the page did not expand on anything, even description. So I moved them to proposed.


 * For example, Mikuo is the most basic derivative, it's just Miku with short hair and pants. There isn't anything to the character besides the mention of gender. Yet it became one of the most popular derivatives, it serves its purpose being an avatar. Also, I am taking some inspiration from the Japanese site 'Vocaloid Character dictionary', it simply has stats of the character with a very brief summary. No detailed backstory or real purpose, since most fanmades are primarily about design rather than development. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:58, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

=May messages=

Bunai-sama can you chsnge the Infobox photo of Tamasine Nakamura to this photo: http:// fanloid .wikia.com/wiki/Tamasine_Nakamura#gallery-0 ... Thank you very much ^_^

-- Kindly change it.. Pls? Thank you ^_^Nakamurastudio 15:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Bunai-sama can you change the Infobox photo of Tamasine Nakamura to this photo: http:// images4 .wikia.nocookie.net/fanloid/images/thumb/a/a6/Vocaloid3boxartnakamura.jpg/202px-Vocaloid3boxartnakamura.jpg ... Thank you very much ^_^ Ill wait for it to be changed ^o^

-- Kindly change it.. Pls? Thank you ^_^ very much.. Nakamurastudio 15:36, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

yeah her name is VERY close to Mikuo so MiKou is ok :)Monty1st 07:32, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, okay. But doesn't that mean the Tsundeloid page has to be deleted afterwards, because I looked at the talk page earlier. Kiyastudios 22:16, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Kiyastudios


 * No,
 * And I am not sure how you got the impression that the page would be deleted. We are discussing about turning it into an open source series rather than an exclusive series. Because the term Tsundeloid has been around before your page creation. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:45, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. I didn't know that. I just thought it might've been deleted though.Kiyastudios 00:50, May 2, 2012 (UTC)Kiyastudios

Thank you for the notice —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilkk4321 (talk • contribs) 20:22, May 1, 2012